1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 (dramatic music) 2 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:10,454 Excuse me just for a moment. 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,120 It's okay, it's okay. 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:13,960 Don't you want a drink or something? 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,574 No, I just wish everything this could disappear. 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,174 (dramatic music) 7 00:00:21,240 --> 00:00:22,560 It doesn't disappear. 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,080 Without a doubt the people who have this information 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,520 For the most part I would love to share it. with your loved ones, share it 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,440 with his grandchildren, to share it with humanity in general. 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,920 They don't pay us a cent for anything. 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:44,000 I hope that one day publish the information. 13 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:47,360 It is information from so great consequence that is 14 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,760 something that should be shared by all humanity. 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,720 It is not something that should be limited 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,800 a privileged few within of the United States Government. 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,407 The only reason we're doing 18 00:00:57,473 --> 00:00:59,680 This is trying to get so much truth 19 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,680 As we can, while some of us are still alive. 20 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,440 Well now, doctor, could they be hallucinations or 21 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,520 Any other misrepresented objects? 22 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,680 They could, but I'm firmly convinced that 23 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,920 Such an explanation is not valid for all of them. 24 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,120 It could be in few cases, but they are 25 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,720 it's still a block solid, very reliable, 26 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:27,080 Good observations that are not can be explained by such means. 27 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,040 I think we have a right to know what is happening in this world. 28 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:32,240 We live in it. 29 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:33,720 It's our world. 30 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,480 Main edition July 8, 1947. 31 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,080 It's a long lost story. 32 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:42,800 It won't be too long before 33 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,720 There will be no one left was alive in 1947. 34 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,000 The air forces of army have announced that a 35 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,720 A flying disc has been found and is now in the possession of the army. 36 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,134 I just think you're crazy if you talk about that, so. 37 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,054 (dramatic music) 38 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,680 And I'm not just talking about that, 39 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,760 you know, anyone unless someone calls and 40 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,734 He asks me to tell them what happened. 41 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,134 (dramatic music) 42 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,680 It is not a source of conversation over coffee. 43 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:14,840 If you didn't think the government was late 44 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:19,640 information about the general situation, it would not be 45 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,974 sitting here being interviewed for one thing. 46 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,134 (dramatic music) 47 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,040 And it doesn't get easier because every time 48 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,040 What do I tell someone about it? I feel like I'm 12 years old again. 49 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,120 They could land regularly out in the oceans or 50 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:47,280 in uninhabited parts of countries, but they could 51 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,160 Don't be ready to tell us either. 52 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:55,240 (dramatic music) 53 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:07,240 (dramatic music) 54 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,520 - Good. - Well, well, I finally returned home. 55 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:15,960 Well, you took too long. 56 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,000 Well, I'm tired. 57 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,680 I am happy to be back home, I guarantee it. 58 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,240 It's part of our deal. 59 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,920 I spent the whole day looking for a ranch where we found these things. 60 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,240 We finally located it because it's too late 61 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,720 To take photos, we had to return to the hospital. 62 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,560 I tell you I enjoyed going out, but It's too difficult for them. 63 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,560 So I'm turning Too old for that kind of thing. 64 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:44,840 Well, you can say that. 65 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,560 Yes, but I got to the point where that he couldn't even walk. 66 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,360 I mean, it's exhausting. 67 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,920 We had problems to find a place to start. 68 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,640 We searched all day for the place. 69 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,920 But when I saw the place, I recognized it. 70 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:58,800 Oh yeah, that's good. 71 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:04,080 Then the house where Mr. Brazzere used to 72 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,400 Live, they renewed everything. 73 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:08,800 It's a boat. 74 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,840 (incoherent) 75 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,320 He took over the grass. 76 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,240 And he was very helpful. 77 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:15,960 He took us directly to the place. 78 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,000 And he knew exactly where it was. 79 00:04:18,840 --> 00:04:20,560 So we were lucky to get these things. 80 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,560 And I walked over the entire area. 81 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:24,720 What happened? 82 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,520 But I didn't recognize the exact place. 83 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:28,720 Oh yes. 84 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,520 I took him to the exact place where he took the things. 85 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,680 Wasn't there any debris around there? 86 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:34,440 Oh no. 87 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:35,800 Lord, I tell you exactly. 88 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,000 I don't know. 89 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:38,440 There is nothing here. 90 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,360 Roswell is currently composed mainly of retirees. 91 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,040 It is a beautiful and beautiful sight. 92 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,800 There is the lighting in place. 93 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,680 But I really enjoyed that. 94 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,078 So my trip was worth it worth it anyway. 95 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,000 Well, I'm glad. 96 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,720 I'm very happy about that. 97 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:55,640 Well, son. It also makes me feel better. 98 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,880 I tell you that I I would love to live there again. 99 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,160 Well, I would too. 100 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,920 And I also spent a lot time at Walter's house. 101 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:04,600 I went to his art store. 102 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,960 We have dinner together Tuesday night and Wednesday night. 103 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,200 Then everything went well. 104 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:12,280 I had a great time. 105 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:13,240 It sure sounds like that. 106 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:14,520 I am very, very happy for you. 107 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:15,560 It makes me feel better. 108 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,320 It takes me out of my loneliness. 109 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,560 Lord, I tell you. 110 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,000 Well, son, I'm going to let you go now. 111 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,200 - Okay, Daniel. - Look, I'll call you next week. 112 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:25,280 Okay, good. 113 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,040 Keep your chin up and have as much fun as you can. 114 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:29,440 Everything I think you do. 115 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:30,400 I'll try to do that. 116 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:31,760 - Okay, brother. - Alright. Bye bye. 117 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:32,440 Bye bye. 118 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:33,880 (tape notes) 119 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:39,840 I think there were 15,000 people living in Roswell, and 7,000 of them were 120 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:40,840 Out at the base. 121 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,200 It was a great benefit to the community. 122 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,560 Now, Roswell was probably one of the most 123 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,040 Patriotic cities throughout the United States. 124 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,720 They kept every can around. 125 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,560 They ripped off the sheet of sheets of rubber wrappers. 126 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,000 They kept the chain. 127 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,760 We gave everything to the war effort. 128 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,720 And even two years later, We were still doing it. 129 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:08,800 (dramatic music) 130 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:19,840 (dramatic music) 131 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,600 The sequence of events, as I have able to establish them in my mind, is it 132 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,314 They got sightings radar that they have 133 00:06:26,380 --> 00:06:29,200 place at the beginning of July, July 1, 2, 3. 134 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,920 You have people watching this with great interest. 135 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,386 I mean, here we are on the spot 136 00:06:34,452 --> 00:06:37,080 where the atomic bomb It was detonated in 1945. 137 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,160 Atomic research still continues. 138 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,800 The 509th Bomb and Rocket Group that were launched from Alamogordo. 139 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,568 So it's an area of great interest, 140 00:06:44,634 --> 00:06:46,760 Especially to one space travel race. 141 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,680 Friday, July 4, the object disappears from the spheres. 142 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,880 There are reasons to suspect that it is below. 143 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,760 The next morning, we have an archeology team out there. 144 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:01,560 We also have a man and a woman. 145 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,434 This story now begins like all 146 00:07:03,500 --> 00:07:05,280 science fiction movies you've seen. 147 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:06,960 I have a couple in the desert. 148 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,440 She is married. It is not. If He assumes they shouldn't be there. 149 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,200 The thing roars overhead and hits the ground. 150 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,200 They watch it the night before, but 151 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,840 They are so drunk that They don't do anything about it. 152 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,838 The next morning they return to see what's going on. 153 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,240 At the moment, it appears the archeology team. 154 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,560 Archaeologists send someone back to call the sheriff. 155 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,520 The sheriff alerts the 509th bomb squad. 156 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,520 We have trucks in the morning of July 5. 157 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,280 A military cordon that goes up the area here near Roswell. 158 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:36,840 And this is what is critical. 159 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,034 Why do you post guards? on the roads right 160 00:07:40,100 --> 00:07:42,400 next to the highway 285 just north of 161 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,280 City if all you have is the countryside 162 00:07:45,346 --> 00:07:48,280 of debris about 75 miles northwest? 163 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:49,400 You don't need to do that. 164 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,280 If the ship hits a lot closer to Roswell, 165 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,960 So the guards make a lot of sense. 166 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,760 You want to keep people out of the area. 167 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,400 The team collects the bodies at that location. 168 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,360 They are taken back to Hangar 84. 169 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,920 The debris is brought back to this area. 170 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,200 It is transported on the night of July 5. 171 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,760 The next day, they are sitting congratulating each other. 172 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:11,741 Aren't we brilliant? 173 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:12,960 We have this content. 174 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,400 Nobody knows what has happened. 175 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,120 Mack Brazel appears in the office of the sheriff with a box full of debris. 176 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,680 Clearly, this is something else. 177 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:27,760 (dramatic music) 178 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:48,080 (dramatic music) 179 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,160 My name is Frankie Rowe, R-O-W-E. 180 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,334 Um, I know you probably have you told this story 181 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,680 a million times but if you could say 182 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,360 It is as fresh as possible for our audience, that would be great. 183 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,760 Just tell me what happened when Your dad came home that day. 184 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,000 The first time I heard about this at all. 185 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:13,880 Well. 186 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,534 Dad came home from work. 187 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,174 (dramatic music) 188 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:24,760 They worked shifts of a type that they would be on duty maybe 24 hours or 189 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,280 36 hours and then 8 or 12, like that. 190 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,520 So we hadn't seen him for a while. 191 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,400 And he came home that night and he came in very excited. 192 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,920 And I was in the kitchen with mother. 193 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:44,120 And he asked the mother, he said, I have something I want to tell everyone. 194 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:45,200 Get everyone here. 195 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,560 And she said: We are cooking dinner right now. 196 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,760 And he said, well, how much time will pass? 197 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,080 Because I have to talk to everyone. 198 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,720 And it was just me and my mother and me and the three youngest children at home. 199 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,200 And my other sister was working. 200 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,280 So we hustle and get it on the table and we call the children. 201 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:10,840 And he began to tell us that there were received a call from what they thought 202 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,480 it was going to be an accident aerial north of Roswell. 203 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,760 And said they were called to Blackwater Draw. 204 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:25,320 And when they came out, what they saw It wasn't a plane that was ours. 205 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,840 plane, but he said it was a flying ship from another place. 206 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,134 (dramatic music) 207 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,040 Well, we didn't ask questions, But Mother asked all the questions. 208 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:39,054 And we were just listening. 209 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,440 And she began, to what do you mean somewhere else? 210 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:42,840 And he said it's not a plane. 211 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,560 He said he is not of this world. 212 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,920 Now here on this map there are locations identified. 213 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,640 Where about 30 have been seen dishes and are still not explained. 214 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:58,200 In a following composition, The land may have been, 215 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,898 and now it can be, present in the atmosphere 216 00:11:00,964 --> 00:11:03,240 from the Earth, strange aerial objects. 217 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,520 Some are of a geometric order. 218 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,480 Others can only be described as bright light sources. 219 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:11,560 Its shape cannot be determined. 220 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,120 He said the accident was like the flyer 221 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,600 dishes that have spoken, because there was 222 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:22,720 There have been some comments about the news about flying saucers. 223 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,200 And he said one crashed of flying saucers. 224 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,960 And I don't really think mother believed him at first. 225 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,680 And he said, no, He said, I mean it. 226 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:41,120 We left early today, which I don't know what time it was, but early 227 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,120 To him it could have meant who left before nightfall. 228 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:49,920 And he said that when they got there, They could see that there were two bodies 229 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,360 who were lying on the ground outside of this 230 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,320 craftsmanship, and there was one, what did he call, little person. 231 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,400 And he said there's a little person who walked 232 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,960 And he said they were still alive. 233 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:11,400 Then she asked him, You know, what do they look like? 234 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:12,720 Do they look like us? 235 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:19,160 And he said they were very small, size of a small 10 year old child. 236 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:25,440 But the head looked like the little one insect we played with or saw 237 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,880 around our house They called Earth Child. 238 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:33,280 We all knew what it looked like, so no one asked any questions about it. 239 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,897 We assumed that meant that the head 240 00:12:36,963 --> 00:12:40,440 it was too big for the body, and had 241 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,360 No hair, and he would have big eyes. 242 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:47,360 We knew that because that's how the son of the earth insect is seen. 243 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,920 He said they looked a lot like us. 244 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,080 He said they were much more smaller than us. 245 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,560 Because when he said a little 10 year old boy 246 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,680 Boy I knew what it meant smaller than me. 247 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,000 And he wasn't very big at 12 years old. 248 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,240 It was a little small for my age. 249 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:10,320 (dramatic music) 250 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:20,360 And he said that the other two were dead and that this one was alive 251 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:21,480 I was very sad. 252 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,960 But he emphasized and kept saying that We don't need to be afraid. 253 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,560 They are not here to hurt us. 254 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,000 And he said we couldn't avoid them. 255 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,514 And I was more upset by the fact that 256 00:13:35,580 --> 00:13:38,080 They couldn't help this little person. 257 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,560 And that is something that it really felt bad, that 258 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,240 He couldn't help this one who was alive. 259 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,627 Said you could feel the pain of this 260 00:13:51,693 --> 00:13:55,360 little person who was so sad for 261 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,960 The death of others with him. 262 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:03,360 And apparently there were no been there, but only for a few minutes. 263 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,840 And he said that the soldiers and made them leave. 264 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,960 (dramatic music) 265 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,280 And so they returned to the fire station. 266 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,400 And he said there hadn't been a 267 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,160 Grass Fire, which would have was his purpose for going. 268 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:25,480 And they thought it might have been if It would have been a normal plane crash. 269 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,040 I don't think the mother really I would like to believe it at first. 270 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:36,680 And he talked about how we could be so conceited to think we were the 271 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,400 Only those that God could create. 272 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,520 If I could create this earth, I could also create many others. 273 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,760 So that was just one. conversation over dinner that night. 274 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:56,320 And then not much was said respect over the next few days. 275 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,840 Then I was at the fire station one afternoon because I had gotten sick. 276 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,400 I had to see the doctor and We only had one vehicle. 277 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:07,880 So I went back to work with dad. 278 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,240 He came home at noon and He picked me up at his lunch. 279 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:16,800 And he had gone to the doctor and he was sitting in the kitchen part of the 280 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:17,581 fire station. 281 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,760 And I was eating a glass of ice chips. 282 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,760 And a police officer came in state and yelled at dad. 283 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,920 He said, hey, Dan, come here and get all the guys. 284 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,360 I want to show you something. 285 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,400 The state trooper reached into his pocket. 286 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,640 And he said: I don't think You might see something like that the other day. 287 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:44,520 And he took his hand out of his pocket and it was closed. 288 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:52,720 He opened his hand on the table and left drop a piece of material that when 289 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,040 Hit the table, everything was watered when he left his hand. 290 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,440 And when he hit the table, It spread like water. 291 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:06,000 And they were asking him, now You know, how did you get over this? 292 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,920 And he said, well, it had helped with some of the debris. 293 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,440 And he had managed to slip away that single piece in your pocket. 294 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,720 He said: I don't know how much time I will have to keep this before they catch me. 295 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,120 He said, all those who catch, They are taking away whatever they have. 296 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:28,200 (dramatic music) 297 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,040 Last count, there was spoken around four 298 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,120 twelve people who drove various aspects of the debris. 299 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,600 The most dramatic is the sheet material 300 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,800 that you could put in the ball and let it go and it would develop itself. 301 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,040 Many people reported that. 302 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,440 What kind of material did we have in 303 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:57,160 1947 that would, that Did it have those properties? 304 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:01,200 There were things like paper backed with fabric 305 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:02,478 that when you carry it out, it would 306 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,800 It tends to develop a little, but there were always signs of folds. 307 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:07,438 And some of the people They were very specific. 308 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,880 There were no signs of a fold or a Fold in this thing when you get disappointed. 309 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,240 After a while, they tried to burn it. 310 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,080 Almost everyone would take the big ones, 311 00:17:18,360 --> 00:17:20,000 Old-fashioned lighters. 312 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,200 They tried to burn it and they couldn't burn it. 313 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,680 It wouldn't catch fire and they took 314 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,760 out of your pocket knives and They tried to cut it and they couldn't cut it. 315 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,059 Then they got into an argument. 316 00:17:35,125 --> 00:17:38,974 about how, what a bad force it must have been 317 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,800 to tear this material material. 318 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:48,960 And they talked about whether they came from inside of the boat or the exterior or the wadding. 319 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,120 Of course, no one knew where it came from. 320 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,880 And as they talked, I guess they 321 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,991 Everyone had the opportunity to play with him 322 00:17:57,057 --> 00:17:59,200 for a while and I was lying on the table. 323 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:00,480 So I walked over and picked it up 324 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,120 And I probably played for about five minutes. 325 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,040 And I tried everything they had done with the wading. 326 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,280 When you put it in your hand, You couldn't feel it in your hand. 327 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,680 You couldn't feel like you had anything there. 328 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:21,400 And it would go to a size that was so small that I had to look at 329 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,160 To see if it was still in your hand. 330 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,760 And then when he drops it, It spreads across the entire table. 331 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,760 It made no noise. There is no sound of any kind. 332 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,240 It was like, it was nothing. 333 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,040 It was like you were attacking the air together. 334 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:38,318 So it wasn't aluminum foil? 335 00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:39,840 Oh, absolutely not. 336 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:41,827 No, we had scraped the aluminum 337 00:18:41,893 --> 00:18:43,960 aluminum everything for the war effort. 338 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,520 No, I knew aluminum. 339 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,480 No, this definitely wasn't it. 340 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,720 I didn't realize your importance at that time. 341 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,720 I just knew it was different to anything I had seen before. 342 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:04,200 So I forgot about it after that. 343 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,494 (static satellite) 344 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,320 Main edition July 8, 1947. 345 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,680 The air forces of army have announced that a 346 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,440 A flying disc has been found and is now in the possession of the army. 347 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,520 Something went down during the first week of 348 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:28,040 July 1947, about which known as the Foster ranch. 349 00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:30,800 a man called Matt Brazel was the foreman 350 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,360 of that ranch, and he was checking his sheep. 351 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,160 He found all this strange debris. 352 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,360 He brought it to his neighbors the next day. 353 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,840 They suggested that the sheriff go in with him. 354 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,760 He went into Roswell, which was a great trip. 355 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,120 This was about 70 miles north-northwest of Roswell. 356 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,459 The Sheriff, George Wilcox, called the airfield 357 00:19:51,525 --> 00:19:54,200 of the local Army Air Base. 358 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,800 Two officers were sent, Jesse Marcel Sr. and 359 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,200 Sheraton Cabot, the CIC official. 360 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,200 Mack Brazel shows them the debris field. 361 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,760 Clearly, it's just metal debris. 362 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,131 The question I posed to several people, 363 00:20:07,173 --> 00:20:08,638 why didn't they react differently? 364 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,598 And the answer has always been Because they knew there was only one. 365 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,360 They knew there was only one ship. 366 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:13,840 They knew there was only one accident. 367 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,520 They had everything contained. 368 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,320 They took a calculated risk. 369 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,360 Mack Brazel found some of the same things, 370 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,080 But they knew that it was not a craft itself. 371 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,320 They knew it was just rubble. 372 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,240 Pieces of debris in the jeep. 373 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:30,880 When he returned to the vicinity of the base air, it was close to midnight. 374 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,840 He stopped at her house to show her his wife and 11-year-old son, Jesse Jr., 375 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,240 This unusual debris. 376 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,800 Well, Jesse Jr. He's an M.D. now. 377 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:48,640 He is a colonel in the Guard Montana Air National. 378 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,800 He is a helicopter pilot, one of the fleet helicopters in Vietnam. 379 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,760 Very stable individual. 380 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:05,960 The type of person who does not seek notoriety, He has no ax to grind on this. 381 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:12,920 I think it largely participates on these things to see if you can 382 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,080 Helps get the truth out. 383 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,520 I think this is where we are making a greater part of us. 384 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,600 We are not, we do not have nothing to gain by doing this. 385 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,120 My father was in intelligence team 386 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,467 Roswell Army Airfield, and 387 00:21:31,533 --> 00:21:34,040 It was their job to see what they thought it was. 388 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:38,040 A crashed plane or crashed something around Roswell. 389 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,640 When he came in, he was very excited. 390 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,240 He woke up my mother and myself. 391 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,680 It must have been one or two on the morning clock. 392 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,000 And he wanted us to see what he brought from the field. 393 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,800 He said, this is part of a flying saucer. 394 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,440 And everything was brought and spread on the kitchen floor. 395 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,640 And we just look at it. 396 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,600 You know, I picked up this particular one. Look at it. and I held it up to my top 397 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,494 left to look at it with the kitchen light 398 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,200 which is reflected on the internal surface. 399 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,840 And that's when I saw the writing or symbols of some kind. 400 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,880 At first I thought this is hieroglyphics or some kind of writing like that. 401 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,840 It certainly seemed foreign to me. 402 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,880 (dramatic music) 403 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,320 Okay, well, yeah, just tell me what to do. 404 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,840 Because I don't know how much You have me in the photo or anything. 405 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:34,880 This was developed with the help by Jesse Marcel, Jr. and Kent Jeffrey. 406 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:40,440 This is a replica of what the Major Jesse pulled out of the desert. 407 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,960 Marcel in 1947. 408 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,560 The one I saw probably was the biggest three 409 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,400 -Echo inch diameter transverse, 12 to 18 inches long. 410 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,400 In fact, the material that I saw almost similar 411 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,920 something that could have flown to the side of the ship, as if there were a 412 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,281 The explosion in flight only extends the 413 00:23:00,347 --> 00:23:02,694 debris or blowing debris from one side. 414 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,734 (dramatic music) 415 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,400 There is a debris field. 416 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:10,800 They are three-quarters of a mile long, 300 417 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,400 feet wide, according to Jesse Marcel, loaded with these metallic debris. 418 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,240 Mack Brazel describes it, the debris is thick 419 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,358 Enough the sheep won't cross it. 420 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,398 You have to drive it around. 421 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,720 There is clearly a lot of debris. 422 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,720 Bill Brazel talks about a gouge through 423 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,040 the center, 500 feet long, 10 feet at its widest. 424 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,200 We do not intend to understand the mechanism of 425 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,760 The detachment of this large amount of debris 426 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,760 In an area and the ship impacting much closer to Roswell. 427 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,280 It is a much smaller ship, 15 to 20 428 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:42,640 feet wide, maybe 25 feet long, more or less intact. 429 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,280 There appears to be some type of damage. 430 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:46,160 There was some debris scattered on impact 431 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,400 site itself, but I don't begin to understand 432 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,120 the mechanism for shedding of so much 433 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,080 Debris in an area and the ship They are more or less intact in the other area, 434 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,583 Unless there is some kind of shell 435 00:23:55,649 --> 00:23:57,320 outside that throws, or this was of some kind 436 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,000 of an escape capsule, and the entire ship 437 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,600 disintegrated, and so it is how they tried to get out. 438 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,760 We just don't understand that, And we have to speculate about it. 439 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,840 (dramatic music) 440 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,520 Something crashed into it desert outside Roswell in 441 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,160 1947, and the ham fashion in which 442 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,140 The United States Air Force Unidos handled the incident 443 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,734 convinced many people that it was 444 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,280 a flying saucer, and that at least one 445 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:29,440 The alien creature was recovered from the accident site. 446 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,320 It is precisely the mix of religion, science, 447 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,520 superstition and folklore, intelligence and ignorance that has 448 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,174 produced among Americans an entire subculture of beliefs 449 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,160 In extraterrestrial life. 450 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,614 It's gotten old, like anything else. 451 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:55,240 It has become a job, a task, It is no longer an exciting experience. 452 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,400 (dramatic music) 453 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:01,840 My name is Walter G. 454 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,720 The G stands for George Haut. 455 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,720 H-A-U-T. 456 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,134 You should remember Haut. 457 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:14,200 (dramatic music) 458 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,294 I'm not the only one. 459 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,520 There are other people who have been involved 460 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,760 In this they are in the same position. 461 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,920 They don't pay us a cent for anything. 462 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,082 The only reason we're doing 463 00:25:32,148 --> 00:25:34,640 This is trying to get so much truth 464 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,880 As we can, while some of us are still alive. 465 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:45,440 You have to look at the age group who was on the base at the time. 466 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,440 Many of the people who have been 467 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,720 Do the preliminary work, for so to speak, they were in their 20s. 468 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,054 I was one of them. 469 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:56,454 (dramatic music) 470 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,600 At the base, I was crew member, 471 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:01,160 Bombardier Navigator. 472 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,800 That was my main service task. 473 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,800 My secondary school was as an officer public relations for 474 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,880 Roswell Army Airfield and the 509th Bomb Group. 475 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,120 The 509th bomb group, By True, it was a very elite group. 476 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,080 It was the only group of bombs atomic bombs in the world at that time. 477 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,891 The 509th bomb group was organized 478 00:26:24,957 --> 00:26:28,480 originally during the Second World War. 479 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,880 His mission was to drop the atomic bombs in Japan. 480 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,960 (dramatic music) 481 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,254 We also dropped the bikini bombshell. 482 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,400 The organization was practically an organization with attention. 483 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,480 By the time you get to Roswell in 484 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,280 1947, is the only force of atomic attack on the world. 485 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,344 They are training people to start others 486 00:26:59,410 --> 00:27:02,920 bombing groups atomic bombs in the Air Force. 487 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,160 If you became the commander of the 509th 488 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,626 pump group, inevitably they were promoted 489 00:27:07,692 --> 00:27:10,000 outside of work and became a general. 490 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:17,320 It was the main group of the Air Force in 1947. 491 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,840 Today's edition presents a summary of the latest 492 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,200 Developments in the discovery of a flying disc. 493 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,800 I was called to headquarters. 494 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,800 He was given copies of a press release 495 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:35,200 which declared, in essence, that we had in our possession a flying disc. 496 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,200 The army may be arriving background of all this talk about the call 497 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,640 flying trumpet, in fact, the 498 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,920 509th Bomb Group Headquarters atomic bombs at Roswell, new 499 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,680 Mexico reports that it has received one of 500 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,200 The disks that landed on a ranch outside of Roswell. 501 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,680 As far as we know, he was shown to William Blanchard in the morning. 502 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,234 Around 12 o'clock at noon, 503 00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:02,800 Blanchard issued a press release. 504 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,414 My father is a retired air 30 years old Colonel 505 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,080 the Force, a spit of the World War II, 506 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,592 and he knew and worked with William 507 00:28:10,658 --> 00:28:13,560 Blanchard at the beginning from the 1960s. 508 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,280 And according to my father, Blanchard was no fool. 509 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:20,680 Blanchard was not the type of man who 510 00:28:20,746 --> 00:28:23,560 issued a statement press about something like that 511 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,162 Dramatic as a crashed ufo without being 512 00:28:26,228 --> 00:28:29,160 absolutely sure which was right. 513 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,280 In other words, if Blanchard said there was 514 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:35,520 A crashed disk, There was a crashed disk. 515 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,160 Colonel William Blanchard from Roswell Air Force Base 516 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,640 refuses to give details of what the frisbee looked like. 517 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,520 The media here were localized media. 518 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,560 You had a 250 watt radio station. 519 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,080 If you're out of town You basically didn't understand it. 520 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,240 You had a second station radius of equal size. 521 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,640 You had two newspapers. 522 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,080 You could control the means very carefully. 523 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,720 It seems strange to me in the current environment 524 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,451 To listen to the owner of a station 525 00:29:05,517 --> 00:29:08,120 radio, tell me that FCC would call and say, yes 526 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,880 you pass on the story, you will lose your license, and they don't tell the FCC that 527 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,840 Go play with themselves and convey the story anyway. 528 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,120 They suppressed the story and They were able to suppress the story. 529 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,080 They were able to do what they had What to do to remove it. 530 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,320 This was a military town in 1947. 531 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,200 Then we have the military moving forward, cleaning all that material. 532 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,215 Walter Haught issues his press release 533 00:29:32,281 --> 00:29:34,000 saying we have a flying saucer. 534 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,560 They told me to deliver by hand abroad 535 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,960 Media that we had in town at the time. 536 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,680 We had two seasons radio and two newspapers. 537 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,520 After lunch, I returned to base. 538 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,793 First phone call I received 539 00:29:50,859 --> 00:29:53,440 when I returned to the office, a colleague 540 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,520 London, England. 541 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,050 His interest was why we release the statement 542 00:29:59,116 --> 00:30:02,440 press the way we did, 543 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,840 And how did the oldest know Marcel how to fly this object? 544 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,080 I had to explain to him that the statement press release was published in the orders 545 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,000 of the commander of the base, number one and number 546 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,240 Two, Major Marcel did not blow up this object. 547 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,600 He took this material and put it on a plane, and the plane moved forward. 548 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,680 (dramatic music) 549 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,040 The phone rang and rang and rang and 550 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,640 rang until I guess somewhere around 4 551 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,600 .30 as I got home, somewhere place around 5 o'clock. 552 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:43,920 That was the end. 553 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,160 The next morning, when I went out and 554 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,494 picked up the newspaper, said that headline that 555 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,640 General Ramey emptied our plate. 556 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,920 History was made. 557 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:06,840 (camera flash) (dramatic music) 558 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,497 Ramey says that to the extent in which it can be determined, 559 00:31:12,563 --> 00:31:14,614 Nobody saw the object in the air, 560 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,160 And he describes it as made of some kind of aluminum foil. 561 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,720 That was an aluminum sheet. or a sheet of some kind. 562 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:30,840 It is not the material only for the material he brought to Ramey's office 563 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,920 It's not what he was photographed with. 564 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,200 That was more of the cover-up. 565 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,360 I think he said he didn't want to be a liar about this, but I was 566 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,120 I said this is what you're going to do. 567 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,680 When the general tells you, you did it. 568 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,360 Simple. 569 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,000 Jesse Marcel, in fact, told several people that it was a weather balloon. 570 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:58,040 When they showed him the image in the book, said that's not what I 571 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:58,800 brought home. 572 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,920 You know, when he came back from Carswell, 573 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,760 After blowing up the debris, he told me 574 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,520 To not talk about this, tell my mother not to talk about this. 575 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:07,600 This is a non-event. 576 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,878 Play as if it never happened. 577 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,600 Don't even talk about this with your friends, which I didn't do. 578 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,734 And, uh, years later, He trusted that it was actually 579 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,814 part of the cover-up because it was together with the explanation of the Air Force, 580 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,560 even though I knew very well that wasn't true. 581 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,760 What do you think about the story from the weather balloon? 582 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,320 I think it has been a lie from the beginning 583 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,280 But they have to cover it up somehow. 584 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,480 There was no weather balloon. 585 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,280 My dad wouldn't have been excited by a weather balloon. 586 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,800 He was not easily excitable, and this is 587 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,080 The most excited that I had never seen it in my life. 588 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,120 He thought it was the most fantastic thing in the world. 589 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,760 When the government said it was not a 590 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,640 flying saucer, no there were space people here, 591 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,960 It was a weather balloon, the people in 592 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,560 Roswell said, okay, It's a weather balloon. 593 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,200 Roswell appears to be the first event like 594 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,240 This is because simply They were not prepared. 595 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,960 So we have a lot of interest in this area. 596 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,100 The lid is slowly closing, and 597 00:33:20,166 --> 00:33:22,520 It's absolutely brilliant what they did. 598 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,960 They announced that they have a dish flying, but they have already captured it. 599 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,040 They already have it. 600 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,080 There's nothing to see, so Nobody goes out to look for the thing. 601 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,080 Then they move everything to Fort Worth. 602 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,400 The highest seat says: No, no, those guys made a mistake. 603 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:37,680 It was just a weather balloon. 604 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,360 The press cannot find Jesse Marcel because he is 605 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,400 in Fort Worth and has been silenced. 606 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,238 They can't find Mack Arm because it is supported 607 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,920 in the guest house here on base. 608 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,560 All the people who can find General Ramey. 609 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,200 General Ramey says that It's a weather balloon. 610 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,920 Colonel Blanchard suddenly He goes on leave on Tuesday. 611 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,120 Then you can't get anyone. 612 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,000 Blanchard is gone, Marcel He's gone, the rancher is gone. 613 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,240 everything you can get are the spokespersons 614 00:34:00,282 --> 00:34:01,678 officers who say: Yes, It's a weather balloon. 615 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,040 The press has nowhere to go. 616 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,880 The story dies at that point. 617 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,760 Nothing to go on. 618 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,320 And everyone forgets that's until Jesse Marcel 619 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,560 He says, I picked up pieces of a flying saucer. 620 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,734 So apart from the people who had some 621 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:24,374 Immediate access to material and managed it or saw it, the story was over. 622 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,440 We had made a mistake. 623 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,840 Fear will do many things. 624 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,680 And that was fear. 625 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:47,040 In 1947, it was much easier to intimidate to a child who in today's world. 626 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,880 We were not exposed to things like television, 627 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,560 And we didn't have television in 1947. 628 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,280 And it was fair, we were one very patriotic city. 629 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,840 If they told us that you don't do something 630 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,040 For the security of the government, the security of your country, we did not do it. 631 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:11,120 (dramatic music) 632 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,800 I'm not sure which one was the stretch of time, 633 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,534 Maybe three days, maybe four, could 634 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,280 If they had been less, they could have been more. 635 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,720 I was at home and the car came to drive down the driveway, and we had a 636 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:27,800 Quite a long road. 637 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,000 It was a military car. 638 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,240 And Mother and I walked towards the door. 639 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,200 They knocked on the door and I answered 640 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,560 the door, and the mother was by my side, and he 641 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,400 He told his mother who he was. 642 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,191 and that he wanted to talk to the girl who was there 643 00:35:51,257 --> 00:35:54,920 Been there at the fire station. 644 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,000 And then she told him it was me. 645 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:06,080 Then he came in and we started sit in the living room, and he 646 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,240 He said, no, I want you go into the dining room there. 647 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,080 You could see the dining room from the living room there. 648 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,640 He told his mother to sit down. at the end of the table, and he told me that 649 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:17,720 Sit to the side. 650 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:25,800 He stood on the table and told us for us to sit down, and he stood up. 651 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,120 And he said: I understand that you were in the fire station the other day. 652 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,880 And I said, yes, I was. 653 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:43,280 And he started saying, I want to stop understand that you were never there. 654 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,800 And I didn't understand what he meant, because 655 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:53,880 This was not a way to talk to the one we were used to. 656 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:57,640 And I said, yes, it was there. 657 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,640 And he said, no, you weren't. 658 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:03,400 And I said, yes, it was there. 659 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:09,680 And at the beginning I had mentioned who wanted to see the one he had seen 660 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,240 The piece of material they had been driving at the station. 661 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,240 And I said, yeah, I handled it. 662 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,280 And he started emphasizing, no, you didn't. 663 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,360 Well my mother was quite strict and we don't lie. 664 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,120 So I'm insisting that yes, I saw it. 665 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,200 Yes, I held it. 666 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,440 And he was angry, and he was, How much The more he insisted that he had seen it. 667 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,800 He didn't just come out and say, this is not something you are allowed to talk about. 668 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,240 I was trying to get over my head that I never saw it. 669 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:48,168 And it got stronger 670 00:37:49,234 --> 00:37:55,094 and I had one of those, it seems a small baseball bat 671 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,934 That gets hooked on the side of his belt. 672 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,534 And he pulled it out, and he's holding it, and starts hitting his hand. 673 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,640 Every time I said something I would hit him on his hand. 674 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,640 And he would say I want you to understand, 675 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,960 You were never there. 676 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,680 You didn't see anything. 677 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,080 You didn't hear a conversation. 678 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,400 And he said, if you can't understand this, 679 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,000 There are things we can do. 680 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,920 He asked the mother, she said, can you keep a secret? 681 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,160 And mother said: Yes. 682 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,480 She said, just tell him What do you want me to do? 683 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,520 And he said, well, before nothing, you have to understand that 684 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,480 If you ever talk about this the rest of your life, 685 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,120 He said, there are things we can do, and we will do them now. 686 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,040 We can take all of you children. 687 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,680 We will take you to Orchard Park or Artesia. 688 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,840 Orchard Park was a German Camp of POW during World War II. 689 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,280 And Artesia was a camp of Japanese prisoners of war. 690 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:07,040 And he said, but we don't have to do that. 691 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,640 We don't even have to let you live. 692 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:10,200 He said we'd put you in one. 693 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,120 We would put your parents in the other one. 694 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,120 But we don't have to do that. 695 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,920 He said, we could take you here in the middle of this desert. 696 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,840 He said, no one will find your bodies, never. 697 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,880 No one will know what happened to you. 698 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:29,000 And then he said, the only way in which I will let you stay or live 699 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,960 is if you promise never You will talk about this for the rest of your life. 700 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,120 So I told him I wouldn't do it. 701 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,520 But that really was almost all of it. 702 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:41,520 was involved. 703 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,160 It was probably there in the home, maybe 45 minutes to an hour. 704 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,320 Mother sent me to the bedroom, and I don't know what he had to say to her next. 705 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,160 One of the other military police that was 706 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:57,240 with him she stayed in the backyard with him 707 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,320 younger children, so they didn't come in in the house while he was there. 708 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:07,214 And I never did it again discuss until recently. 709 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,934 (dramatic music) 710 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,000 And I'm sorry. 711 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,400 Someday I'll get over it. 712 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:18,640 I haven't done it yet. 713 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,480 Your mother must have had difficulties to explain to you. 714 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,840 Obviously, you were raised to be honest. 715 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,120 She never talked to us about it, ever. 716 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,640 It was never mentioned again. 717 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,920 From the moment in that you left your room? 718 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,014 From the moment I went to the bedroom 719 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,080 Until the day she died, We never mention it. 720 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,800 There was no conversation. 721 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,920 What would you have thought? 722 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,360 I never spoke to him either. 723 00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,280 I'm sure they must having spoken to him at the station. 724 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,320 He must have been a good conversationalist. 725 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,840 I imagine he did. 726 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,560 Excuse me just for a moment. 727 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,240 It's okay, it's okay. 728 00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,280 Don't you want a drink or something? 729 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,840 No, I just wish that all this would disappear. 730 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,760 It just doesn't go away. 731 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,840 (dramatic music) 732 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,280 And it doesn't get any easier because every 733 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:23,960 Time I tell anyone about it, I feel like I'm 12 again. 734 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,920 I can see the boy standing there 735 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,520 his sunglasses on and he never took off his hat. 736 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,360 He never took off his glasses of sun, hitting their 737 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,920 Hand with that stick and dragging this. 738 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,880 And at that moment he did it, it was fine. 739 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,680 because we had passed because of the war, we understood. 740 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,040 And I didn't realize it was bullying. 741 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,160 I had no idea what it was until 742 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,920 probably the last five years, actually 743 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,400 Because I never talked about it again. 744 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,960 I never mentioned it to anyone. 745 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,720 When all this came out and my children 746 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,080 I found out about that, they were really upset with me 747 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,880 Because I never told them about it. 748 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,480 My husband, who was very upset with me 749 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,560 about it too, because I never told him about it. 750 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,960 And what was it that you Did you finally tell him? 751 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:23,360 Kevin Randall. 752 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,480 If we had Frankie's story Rowe independent, it would bother me. 753 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,680 A 12-year-old girl who meets 754 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,283 Military officers certainly can 755 00:42:36,349 --> 00:42:38,160 misunderstand what They're trying to tell you, 756 00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:43,400 Especially the shape when they arrived home. 757 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,280 We know that the event took place because his sister corroborates it. 758 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,920 His sister corroborates the participation of his father. 759 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,480 We have affidavits about that. 760 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,560 So, yes, I think the Frankie Rowe story. 761 00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:00,720 I think they visited her and suggested the things he says suggest. 762 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,400 And I think because we know that Others were intimidated by similar fads. 763 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,320 We have the military who They say they were sworn to secrecy. 764 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,680 All this happens around him. 765 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,280 So Frankie Rowe is not independent. 766 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,560 There is corroborative testimony that suggests that someone was putting 767 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,760 pressure on people so that they would be silenced, and they 768 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,280 He used what means were necessary to keep those people silent. 769 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,920 With the military, it was simply the 770 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,400 threat of imprisonment and going to jail because they understood it. 771 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,200 With some of the civilians, they were told 772 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,360 What if you ever talk of that, you will be killed. 773 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,440 One of the people, I forgot, Sheriff Wilcox, 774 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,080 They told his family the same thing, that if I talked about it, I wouldn't just do it 775 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,320 they will kill him, his wife would be murdered, and her daughters would be murdered. 776 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,120 The entire family would be wiped out. 777 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:45,440 That comes from the granddaughter of Sheriff Wilcox, Barbara Dugger, 778 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,000 who heard his grandmother's story. 779 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,080 So we have a wide range of testimonials 780 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,160 of several people who they tell us the pressures 781 00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:55,840 that were placed on them to keep them silent. 782 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,440 And I think they used the technique that 783 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,800 It was the best for that group specific to individuals. 784 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:04,880 (dramatic music) 785 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,200 The material found in the 786 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,920 The debris field was secondary to the blockade of 787 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,480 The real object on the night of the 4th of July. 788 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,640 I have heard secondly that there were alien bodies. 789 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:29,760 My mother had a friend. 790 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,800 I told you that she and I never We talked about it again. 791 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,480 She had a lady that would go out and visit her occasionally, and this woman 792 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,320 The husband was working at the base. 793 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,640 He was a painter who hired the government, 794 00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:46,880 and I was painting at the base hospital 795 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,160 the day they were brought, And he saw him who entered. 796 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,160 And I heard the mother and Yulimay talk 797 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,560 about Herbert seeing the one who came in, 798 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,400 and that they brought others on stretchers. 799 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:11,320 And mother told Yulimay, she did it Herbert tells you what the face looks like. 800 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,200 Because Dan said that He looked like the child of the earth. 801 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,640 And Yulimay said that That's what Herbert said. 802 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,281 And of course they put them in this 803 00:45:21,347 --> 00:45:23,600 side room, but a lot of guys are 804 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,360 I'm not going to stop there, you know. 805 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,520 They're going to see if they possibly can. 806 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,040 And they looked. 807 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,280 And I'm sure that probably mother and Yulimay 808 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,160 And maybe Dad and Herbert, and maybe there 809 00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:40,320 It was more discussion than I know, but not in my presence. 810 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,880 It is the only reference that I heard her do about it. 811 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,640 But I think that was done before 812 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:49,880 He went out to the house. 813 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,934 Because after they came out home, I never heard another comment. 814 00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:00,000 (dramatic music) 815 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,734 (dramatic music) 816 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,454 The United States Air Force is 817 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,320 about to tell us which says it happened. 818 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,800 Let's go to the Pentagon now, where 819 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,760 Colonel John Haynes of the States United The Air Force will tell us what happened. 820 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,840 For some strange reason the air force, which 821 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,000 Whenever you ask him about UFOs, He said we have no interest in UFOs. 822 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,632 If you feel threatened for them Get in touch 823 00:46:31,698 --> 00:46:33,280 Contact local law enforcement. 824 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,160 They decided that they were going to reinvestigate the Roswell case. 825 00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:37,840 The conclusion of the first report did not leave 826 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,920 doubt that what is recovered near Roswell, new 827 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,960 Mexico in July 1947 was rubble of a 828 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,641 Formerly Army Top Secret Project 829 00:46:45,707 --> 00:46:47,120 Air Force Research 830 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:48,720 Codenamed Mogul. 831 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,425 In 1947, we were told it was a balloon with 832 00:46:51,491 --> 00:46:53,960 a lightning wind target attached to it. 833 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,080 Then they looked at their documentation and said: 834 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,400 Well, we told him one little white lie in 1947. 835 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:01,520 Instead of being just a normal weather balloon, 836 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,720 was part of the matrix train for 837 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,960 What was later classified, the classified project, Project Mogul. 838 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,080 Mogul was an attempt detect acoustically 839 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,480 Nuclear rallies and ballistic missile launches. 840 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,560 The Air Force said that explains it. 841 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,040 It is a highly classified project. 842 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,720 The people of Roswell don't I would have recognized the balloon. 843 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:22,920 That's why it was covered. 844 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,280 We didn't want people I went back to Project Mogul. 845 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,720 Where this falls down is that they don't have 846 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,400 documentation for demonstrate what was collected in 847 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,160 Roswell was a balloon of project magnate. 848 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,760 The people of Roswell, Jesse Marcel, for example, 849 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,560 The air intelligence officer It was part of Operations Crossroads. 850 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,720 And they tell us that Ray Wind's goals 851 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,574 Weather balloons used as part of atomic tests. 852 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,680 Then I should have been familiar with balloons. 853 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,520 So you have a situation in which they say 854 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,334 these guys with their fingers in the triggers, 855 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,000 If you want, you can't identify a balloon and 856 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,320 They are so hysterical that They claim it is a flying saucer. 857 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,734 They didn't review the tapes of counterintelligence 858 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,040 Ncoic at the base he saw the rubble and commented on it. 859 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,720 They did not review Major Edwin's tapes 860 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,720 Easley, who told me I couldn't talk 861 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,640 about it because It was still classified. 862 00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:15,680 Forty seven years then he told me a number 863 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,927 of times in our first conversation, I can't talk about that. 864 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,320 He was sworn to secrecy. 865 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,760 They didn't even talk to Brigadier General Arthur 866 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,040 Exxon, who reported that he flew over the 867 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,000 Two places, two places different and inform the gouge. 868 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,240 A balloon won't leave a gouge. 869 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,440 So they didn't talk to the people I think they were key people. 870 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,798 Instead, they spoke with the people who are 871 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,174 I'm going to take you directly to the project. 872 00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:37,720 Tycoon explanation and let him go to that. 873 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,538 They say this was a top secret project, 874 00:48:40,604 --> 00:48:42,520 implying that there were special teams. 875 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,040 It's a neoprene balloon and Raywin objectives. 876 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,240 Raywin's goals had been used for 20 years. 877 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,520 At first, they were used because they reflected 878 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,920 The sun and they could track them visually much easier. 879 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,680 They were now adapted to the use of radar. 880 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,040 Irving Newton said that literally hundreds of 881 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,240 them during the invasion of Okinawa. 882 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,280 There is nothing special about these balloons, nothing at all. 883 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,200 And we're just getting high with Project Mogul, 884 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,840 we are implying that there was something unusual about these balloons, that there was something that 885 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,400 prevent these people from identifying themselves. 886 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:13,640 But there wasn't. 887 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,480 This is referenced to Charles Moore, who 888 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,720 was the project engineer in Mogul with respect 889 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,120 to the neoprene rubber used in those weather balloons. 890 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,654 And they were standard weather balloons. 891 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:30,960 The idea that the matrix being a tycoon was something 892 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,200 Special or out of the ordinary common is an illusion. 893 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,774 But Moore explained to me the type rubber, how thin it was. 894 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,640 He actually compared it with a giant condom. 895 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,120 He said he was very thin and that's how it was. 896 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,400 And my response to that was, well, yeah. 897 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,414 That's the kind of stuff it looked like, 898 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,720 It's certainly nothing I would have fooled 899 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,640 any member of the Forces United States Navy. 900 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,200 Therefore, this is not It was a balloon magnate. 901 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:07,040 (dramatic music) 902 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,014 I don't know if the Air Force has explained what took them so long 903 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,320 Say this is the explanation, If this is the explanation. 904 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,534 When I sent the first request to 905 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,854 Secretary of Defense for an answer about the 906 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,694 Roswell incident in view of the fact that 907 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,014 There were these accusations, essentially a government 908 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,639 cover up, the answer I got 909 00:50:31,705 --> 00:50:34,600 It was a very short letter that said about a 910 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,494 prayer or two from the Air Force, 911 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,280 We refer your letter to the National Archives. 912 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,240 That's all he said. 913 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,080 The national archives They said we don't have 914 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,200 any information about the Roswell Incident, which I 915 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,118 I was convinced of the defense The department had to know 916 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,960 before they sent me there. 917 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,280 So in other words, I thought I was getting the fugitive. 918 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,774 They believe that the records were, in fact, 919 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,120 destroyed more than four decades ago. 920 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,520 So there is no individual in the work now we can call and say, 921 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,360 What happened to these records? 922 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,080 And then the GAO simply has no more 923 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,200 Recommendations or ideas on how to go further. 924 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,158 The only records of which we're talking about being destroyed 925 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,760 are the Aerodrome communications of Roswell Army, 509, alone 926 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,080 Atomic bombing group in the world, out, out, changing messages. 927 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,560 How about the analysis of the materials? 928 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,240 How about the autopsy reports? 929 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,960 How about the testimony of eyewitness of those 930 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,920 stood guard, who took him, those who 931 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,720 Tested on several government laboratories? 932 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,320 There should be plenty of other paper. 933 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:33,440 What happened to this? 934 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,720 What happened to the one who was alive? 935 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,760 I am sure information is withheld 936 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,440 The public domain about the Roswell event. 937 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:47,520 (dramatic music) 938 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:53,840 There are many things that hides our government. 939 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,934 And it's not right, they shouldn't. 940 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,614 (dramatic music) 941 00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,854 They especially shouldn't do it to a city 942 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:08,120 Like Roswell, that was so supportive of everything they did. 943 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,000 The story will end one of these days because there is no one 944 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,920 able to refute it or say something about it. 945 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,000 (dramatic music)